tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post1308397785589604733..comments2024-03-21T06:36:04.196-05:00Comments on The Idol-Head of Diabolu, a Martian Manhunter blog: CSBG's "The Greatest Martian Manhunter Stories Ever Told"Diabolu Frankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-87112186892132929882011-12-05T00:36:37.496-06:002011-12-05T00:36:37.496-06:00Regardless of the double vote (shame-shame,) the f...Regardless of the double vote (shame-shame,) the favorites haven't clustered quite as expected. While some duds remain, there seems to be different flavors serving a variety of tastes on this list. I'm cool with that.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-33456682744365381342011-12-04T22:50:00.449-06:002011-12-04T22:50:00.449-06:00Well, you know my vote went to American Secrets, b...Well, you know my vote went to American Secrets, because I think that is the paragon of Martian Manhunter stories, and the mold I wish all future stories would be cast in.<br /><br />I *did* cheat and vote twice, however, because I really do think DC: New Frontier captured an aspect of the Martian Manhunter that I really liked. I could be emotionally biased because essentially it was my first exposure to the character.<br /><br />"Double Stuff" is a guilty pleasure kind of story..."fan fiction" describes it perfectly. Somehow it just works for me, though.<br /><br />The only other story I feel strongly about is the Despero one. I just can't get psyched up about Ostrander no matter how hard I try.<br /><br />It would be nice if there were some more recent entries to the "Greatest Stories Ever Told" list, but I'm not holding my breath.LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-6187812722195931642011-12-02T09:15:28.779-06:002011-12-02T09:15:28.779-06:00Like I said, nothing this decade except the two bo...Like I said, nothing this decade except the two books from this decade, with many considering <i>DC: The New Frontier</i> to be a modern classic. I couldn't have been more obviously unclear and ill-informed. Would everyone forgive me if I did a frowning/confused emoticon?Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-6579435181690218242011-12-02T01:38:20.361-06:002011-12-02T01:38:20.361-06:00Are there any other recent contenders besides &quo...Are there any other recent contenders besides "Requiem"?Tom Hartleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00279973364279144136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-51119019703861645552011-12-02T00:38:46.592-06:002011-12-02T00:38:46.592-06:00Yeah, the newest story is a decade old. That's...Yeah, the newest story is a decade old. That's quite a dry spell.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-28362378575599653982011-12-01T10:32:11.245-06:002011-12-01T10:32:11.245-06:00I liked the list, but I hope that in ten years tim...I liked the list, but I hope that in ten years time that we will see some new entries.will_in_chicagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01468337654400802576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-61666453691198284232011-12-01T08:22:36.117-06:002011-12-01T08:22:36.117-06:00That is a darned fine list, Tom. I would not disag...That is a darned fine list, Tom. I would not disagree with any of those choices, though I might have to swap in some favorites if I did one of my own. I've actually been thinking about doing a fake Martian Manhunter greatest stories for a long time, but I've been putting it off until I read every Silver Age story, which is to say indefinitely. It looks like you've got the matter well in hand!Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-20010253465004833942011-12-01T04:31:48.803-06:002011-12-01T04:31:48.803-06:00Once again, these are not necessarily my favorites...Once again, these are not necessarily my favorites (although many of them are), but rather my imagining of what DC might actually publish. I'm hoping that J'Onn's death in FINAL CRISIS no longer happened, thanks to the DCnÜ reboot, so I left out "Requiem".<br /><br />MARTIAN MANHUNTER: THE GREATEST STORIES EVER TOLD<br />Written by Joe Samachson, Jack Miller, Denny O'Neil, Bob Haney, Steve Englehart, Mark Verheiden, Keith Giffen, J. M. DeMatteis and John Ostrander<br />Art by Joe Certa, Dick Dillin, Michael Netzer, Curt Swan, Ken Steacy, Tim Gula, Doug Mahnke, Sid Greene, Terry Austin, Murphy Anderson, Frank McLaughlin and Patrick Gleason<br />Cover by Alex Ross<br />Reprints stories from DETECTIVE COMICS #225, 273, 311 and 326, JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #71 and 144, ADVENTURE COMICS #449-451, WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #245, SECRET ORIGINS #35, JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL ANNUAL #3 and MARTIAN MANHUNTER #24<br />192 pages<br /><br />"The Strange Experiment of Dr. Erdel" (6 pages)<br />Detective Comics #225, November 1955<br /><br />"The Unmasking of J'Onn J'Onzz" (6 pages)<br />Detective Comics #273, November 1959<br /><br />"The Invaders from the Space Warp" (12 pages)<br />Detective Comics #311, January 1963<br /><br />"The Death of John Jones, Detective" (12 pages)<br />Detective Comics #326, April 1964<br /><br />"...And So My World Ends" (23 pages)<br />Justice League of America #71, May 1969<br /><br />"Mission: Catch a Killer" (6 pages)<br />Adventure Comics #449, January/February 1977<br /><br />"Return to Destiny" (6 pages)<br />Adventure Comics #450, March/April 1977<br /><br />"The Suspects" (6 pages)<br />Adventure Comics #451, May/June 1977<br /><br />"Today Mars, Tomorrow... the Universe" (20 pages)<br />World's Finest Comics #245, June/July 1977<br /><br />"The Origin of the Justice League -- Minus One" (33 pages)<br />Justice League of America #144, July 1977<br /><br />"The Secret Origin of the Martian Manhunter" (12 pages)<br />Secret Origins #35, 1988<br /><br />"The Men I Never Was" (20 pages)<br />Justice League International Annual #3, 1989<br /><br />"Double Stuff" (22 pages)<br />Martian Manhunter #24, November 2000Tom Hartleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00279973364279144136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-42406510715560896712011-12-01T02:18:49.803-06:002011-12-01T02:18:49.803-06:00I'm tempted to turn it into a game, like the f...I'm tempted to turn it into a game, like the fake Archives, imagining what DC would publish in a GREATEST MARTIAN MANHUNTER STORIES collection. All of those recent "Greatest Stories" collections were 192 pages, right? Did they have introductions, of writer and artist bios. I'm not going to write a fake intro; I'm just wondering how much room I would have for reprinted stories before I list them.<br /><br />As for my personal favorites, everything after AMERICAN SECRETS is a distant second.<br /><br />I'll email Google and find out what their problem is.Tom Hartleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00279973364279144136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-47044439331388875352011-12-01T01:00:14.810-06:002011-12-01T01:00:14.810-06:00Gah! If I hadn't gotten an email notification ...Gah! If I hadn't gotten an email notification on this comment, I'd have never known to rescue it from the spam folder. What is Blogspot's problem?<br /><br />I like that line about "Double Stuff." Any additions you'd make to this list, given your time as editor of the Archive Editions?Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-66303991171066250222011-11-30T23:54:24.103-06:002011-11-30T23:54:24.103-06:00I wasn't as bothered by Ostrander's series...I wasn't as bothered by Ostrander's series as some folks around here, but the clumsy mash-up of Kirby's Fourth World and Ostrander's remix of Dematteis' Mars that was "In My Life" didn't do anything for me.<br /><br />"Double Stuff" was competent JLI fan fiction.<br /><br />I kinda' liked the Superman chapter of "Revelations". It makes sense for J'Onn to worry that such a powerful being may pose a threat to humanity. After having spent two decades preparing for the day when he might have to kill a monster, he and Superman meet as friends.Tom Hartleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00279973364279144136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-77696495298159573302011-11-30T20:30:34.368-06:002011-11-30T20:30:34.368-06:00A.S.A.P. I've got a follow-up CSBG-related pos...A.S.A.P. I've got a follow-up CSBG-related post, and December of Despero needs to get started, so it'll be next week at the earliest.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-70127637913937332372011-11-30T18:53:28.880-06:002011-11-30T18:53:28.880-06:00Oh, and as for the despero storyline, that's m...Oh, and as for the despero storyline, that's more JLI than Martian Manhunter, and what's more, J'onn gets his ass handed to him physically, even though he pulls the Psychic KO; And not in a Superman Doomsday fashion.<br /><br />My read of J'onn's control over his form means strength-wise he should be able to compete with pretty much anyone.mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-15080336649171651212011-11-30T18:49:45.664-06:002011-11-30T18:49:45.664-06:00You know, aside from Flesh and Bones, which seems ...You know, aside from Flesh and Bones, which seems anachronistic, I'm actually not sure what you would/could put ahead of these.<br /><br />MAKE IT SO FOR MY AMUSEMENT!!!mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-84331711610563026722011-11-30T17:08:07.952-06:002011-11-30T17:08:07.952-06:00See, this is why I like comments. I had you pegged...See, this is why I like comments. I had you pegged as the Despero vote. Go figure.<br /><br />I very much prefer "In My Life" to "Revelations." In fact, I didn't even like the latter, with "Double Stuff" being the lipstick on the pig. It was alright, and I definitely dug the art, but Ostrander's comedy-fu was futile against the Masters of Bwah-ha-ha. With "Life," I'm on record with my issues on the art, Malefic and the New Gods, but the story was solid enough.<br /><br />I think CSBG's readers drafted an interesting list, but you should know I've got a ton of material I'd press forward instead.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-46454879746005473992011-11-30T14:55:11.230-06:002011-11-30T14:55:11.230-06:00I voted in your poll for In My Life, as I feel it&...I voted in your poll for In My Life, as I feel it's the Most complete, and the Apokalips stuff felt less cliche than the revelations stuff. <br /><br />American Secrets is great, but feels incomplete, as I feel straight up superheroics are pretty key to J'onn, and it's tone is a bit differnt.<br /><br />The one thing missing to me is his first mini, but I Acknowledge it's not for everyone.mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.com