tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post1424753326569255879..comments2024-03-21T06:36:04.196-05:00Comments on The Idol-Head of Diabolu, a Martian Manhunter blog: 2011 New 52 Martian Manhunter Designs by Cully Hamner and Jim LeeDiabolu Frankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-3874092788309185022012-09-13T13:44:16.644-05:002012-09-13T13:44:16.644-05:00I've always thought of the collar as more rega...I've always thought of the collar as more regal than mysterious... I guess it is in keeping with a turned up collar on a Sam Spade...mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-81064521754874062552012-09-13T11:21:27.811-05:002012-09-13T11:21:27.811-05:00M.C., the old cape on this costume would work fine...M.C., the old cape on this costume would work fine, and the purple shift would make it even more of an old brown trenchcoat proxy to visually call back to the detective genre. Thrown back: Superhero. Draped: Dick, and all those busy colorful elements Liss dislikes go away without going the full chameleon route.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-1821980963058020582012-09-12T23:34:54.173-05:002012-09-12T23:34:54.173-05:00What I really want to see is a simple, elegant des...What I really want to see is a simple, elegant design. The loincloth is pretty busy, and there's a lot going on all over with that costume. J'onn is a rather pedestrian sort of hero, so his costume should not be the first thing one notices about him. Like m.c. said, a simple suit and coat suffices for being inconspicuous. Why shouldn't his superhero duds be any less inconspicuous?<br /><br />Add to that, will we ever know if this costume is part of his body, or is it some kind of Martian intelligent clothing like M'gann wears on Young Justice? (Not that it really matters, but it's good to have editors who think about those kinds of details.)<br /><br />"The suit in general has a ST:TNG vibe, especially the boots." THAT'S why I like the boots. Now it all makes sense. Thanks, m.c.LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-30996327464512858432012-09-12T13:16:39.822-05:002012-09-12T13:16:39.822-05:00Great find!
The initial (caped) design is interest...Great find!<br />The initial (caped) design is interesting, but I agree the cape just doesn't cut it for visual fare. The suit in general has a ST:TNG vibe, especially the boots. Hamner's redesign of the head is pretty interesting, if more of a departure than would be to my tastes.<br /><br />His second design I could like as a member of the actual authority. functional, cool enough, but not terribly superheroic. I think it's rejection was due to the fact that DC was adopting the authority, not the other way around.<br /><br />Lee's is easily my favorite costume design of his, and gives that warrior priest vibe I love to see on J'onn. You make a point about the "Sleuth" aspect being missing, but then again, how present has it ever been? Especially in this modern era, the Detective has taken on a rather mundane look, and J'onn's fighting togs are for fighting monsters from outside time; When he's hunting leads, it's inconspicuous suit and coat all the way.mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-15228940120818771982012-09-12T00:55:58.676-05:002012-09-12T00:55:58.676-05:00Will, a Superman takedown would be soooo sweet, es...Will, a Superman takedown would be soooo sweet, especially if brains trumped brawn (although a little brawn on both sides would be nice.)<br /><br />aota, I kind of like the nose. The jowls and chin, not so much. J'Onn also needs visible eyes, because he's meant to be expressive.<br /><br />Liss, I could be swayed on everything about the Hamner cape except the reverse teardrop. Way too Manhunter On Ice for me to tolerate. As for the loincloth, I think it makes him look more reserved and dignified, because who could fight in that thing? He needed a bit of flair down there. But yes, let's drop the old collar onto the new cape eventually...Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-28786196787186105782012-09-12T00:33:24.358-05:002012-09-12T00:33:24.358-05:00You know, as much as I don't like the bumps on...You know, as much as I don't like the bumps on the cross straps of Hamner's design, I really, really like the cape. I don't know what it is. (Maybe just the purple.) I think the teardrop shape is kind of different (if impractical) and the collar is still there. I also like the shoes/boots with the piping. Maybe it's a girl thing. Also I like how the leggings are more like pants. Kind of a business suit vibe going there that I really like. I do like how he was playing with colors...I remember wanting a purple Martian Manhunter cape at one time.<br /><br />I don't like the last design. Even though it sports a cool design, the loincloth is too tribal and too "warrior." I think it makes J'onn look more like a physical hero, when I think his intelligence and unique sensibilities are what set him apart. It's just too busy and too clunky for me, and I just can't get used to no collar. And I'm a fan of the cross-straps. (Adam Strange doesn't have them anymore, which makes me very sad, or maybe he does, I don't even know what happened to Adam Strange at this point.)<br /><br />If you could put the pie symbol on Hamner's design and nix the temple and nose ridges, I would really like it.LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-69387926802236521222012-09-11T20:14:39.630-05:002012-09-11T20:14:39.630-05:00I'm just glad that they went with the Jim Lee ...I'm just glad that they went with the Jim Lee design the others are just weird looking. Don't like the face and weird nose of the others. His new outfit has a more noble look about it. aotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03161319929137252625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-20515467747147803852012-09-11T15:55:34.343-05:002012-09-11T15:55:34.343-05:00Frank, I do have a love of puns. Also, the subject...Frank, I do have a love of puns. Also, the subject was fashion.<br /><br />However, considering how many times editors have made J'Onn a jobber for the Man of Steel and the fact that this version of J'Onn seems to be a strategist, I think the Last Son of Ma'aleca'andra may be prepared for the Last Son of Krypton. (Somehow, i think J'Onn knows that his next meeting with the Justice League will not be an easy one.)will_in_chicagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01468337654400802576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-46937996435425169802012-09-11T12:20:01.347-05:002012-09-11T12:20:01.347-05:00Ahhh! Spin Doctors reference! Noooo!Ahhh! Spin Doctors reference! Noooo!Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-58496524233872870652012-09-11T11:30:33.389-05:002012-09-11T11:30:33.389-05:00Frank, thanks for posting the article.
I think th...Frank, thanks for posting the article.<br /><br />I think that J'Onn's new costume is the best of the lot for the new Stormwatch, while Midnighter looks like he must have been at a garage sale for someone who was an extra in one of the Road Warrior movies.<br /><br />J'Onn's costume now has a sense of the exotic. It is more of a warrior's outfit than a detective's outfit, but J'Onn can change forms so maybe a more stealth look might be possible. I do like this outfit better than the one with the reverse tear drop cape.<br /><br />As for J'Onn, so far he has show that he can stand against some heavy hitters -- including the much vaunted (and rather bland) Justice League. I imagine that J'Onn is probably ready for conflicts with them, so I would not be shocked if he has a pocket full of Kryptonite.will_in_chicagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01468337654400802576noreply@blogger.com