tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post7010440953529725037..comments2024-03-21T06:36:04.196-05:00Comments on The Idol-Head of Diabolu, a Martian Manhunter blog: JLA Secret Files & Origins #3: White Martians Profile Page (December 2000)Diabolu Frankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-12428504230733554952010-02-24T09:26:42.707-06:002010-02-24T09:26:42.707-06:00I'd never thought about the Odo/J'onn conn...I'd never thought about the Odo/J'onn connection, but it makes sense.<br />Superman: World of New Krypton made me think about the DC solar system, and while they didn't use it very well at all, I think there is a mythology to be had there, with a big part for our favorite Martian.mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-39438140879537899272010-02-24T01:24:17.405-06:002010-02-24T01:24:17.405-06:00Liss, I like elusive masterminds, but am tired of ...Liss, I like elusive masterminds, but am tired of decent U.S. intelligence types like King Faraday getting thrown under the bus because their field is heavily criticized these days. Despero and Vandal Savage kind of fit, and a revamped Mister V could be made to.<br /><br />Yeah, I followed DS9 closer than any other <i>Star Trek</i> series, and I've seen enough of each to know their writers are comic geeks. Odo was pretty likely cribbed from J'Onn, so the parallel makes sense. Plus, Ostrander is a big Trekkie, best as I can tell, so he only highlighted their similarities.<br /><br />I agree about the White Martians needing to be played off humanity, but that's the Kryptonians schtick right now. Maybe in a few years...Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-46523310470642483282010-02-24T00:52:19.487-06:002010-02-24T00:52:19.487-06:00"I prefer J'Onn's conflict with human..."I prefer J'Onn's conflict with human failings/xenophobia to be more abstract" That I do like--it makes it more of an archetypal conflict.<br /><br />I always feel like there should be some noirish criminal-type villain that shouldn't <i>directly</i> attack J'onn, but should be the "kind that got away" and caused a lot of tragedy and hurt a lot of people that J'onn could've prevented, which would only highlight his failures. Or maybe a government type like King Faraday.<br /><br />"an inescapable role as the being who must protect the universe from his own kind?" True. That reminds me of Odo and the Dominion (don't know if you watched Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), a storyline which I liked. And all that can negative publicity for (White) Martians can play into the paranoia of mankind's fear of aliens...I wouldn't mind seeing them come back. If they do, I'd like to see more of the general public's point-of-view, which ties into that xenophobia aspect.LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-72797541416886678292010-02-24T00:30:29.838-06:002010-02-24T00:30:29.838-06:00Poetically put. Props.Poetically put. Props.mathematicscorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439579069513071094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-50388753100644565192010-02-24T00:15:14.076-06:002010-02-24T00:15:14.076-06:00I specifically do not want J'Onn to have a hum...I specifically do <i>not</i> want J'Onn to have a human nemesis. Guys like the Human Flame, Mister V and Professor Arnold Hugo should always be in the mix, but analaogous with A/B-listers like Parasite, Penguin, Dr. Psycho and so on. Respectable foes all, but not at a Joker/Brainiac/Circe level. I prefer J'Onn's conflict with human failings/xenophobia to be more abstract, rather than personified by a Max Lord type. When it comes to upper echelon villains for J'Onn, I prefer they come from his own people (Commander Blanx, Malefic) or other extraterrestrials (Despero, Mongul) so the conflict can be between the two characters, not revolve around humans vs. aliens.<br /><br />Tragedy has surrounded J'Onn since 1969, but it doesn't require something as fantastic and improbable as being a sole survivor to be effective. Isn't losing your family and pretty near anyone else you ever cared about bad enough? Isn't it even more impactful that most of the surving Martians are rotten, putting J'Onn in an inescapable role as the being who must protect the universe from his own kind? He's still isolated, with the added pain of suffering the inequities of his fellow survivors.Diabolu Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685199809207954223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6620698560611640068.post-57503322782485307832010-02-23T22:02:09.795-06:002010-02-23T22:02:09.795-06:00I've got mixed feelings about White Martians. ...I've got mixed feelings about White Martians. On the one hand, I think it's cool to see something from J'onn's past haunting him. On the other, it deadens the "last of his race" cachet. I really just want J'onn to have a well-crafted human nemesis. Or maybe that makes him even more like Superman? *shakes head in confusion*LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.com